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#13544303 Nov 27, 2017 at 12:12 PM
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That was an interesting article. Thanks for writing it.

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#13555029 Dec 04, 2017 at 11:16 PM
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Ex Machina is one of my favorite Sci Fi movies. Just like Blade Runner,it asks philosophical questions,while applying science very heavily. In the movie,a question was asked 'why did the robot designer give his robot the personality of a woman'? He answered by mentioning how in nature,most living things have either male/female characteristics. Since his design was meant to have a human-like personality and emotions,this means the robot will need to be either male or female. This means a female robot will want to have sex,will want to flirt,can be attracted to men,and will want to dress and look pretty. I thought this was an insightful answer,because feminazis think there should be no differences between men and women,and associating women with sexual desires or a submissive role is 'sexism', but I think sexism is a normal part of nature. Even animals have clear differences between the behaviours and desires of male and female.

If men stop behaving like men,and women stop behaving like women,and political correctness controls what we can do,then we will become like robots.

Another interesting question is if a robot can play Chess,is it displaying human behaviour? The answer given in the movie is it's not about how good or bad the robot is at Chess,but whether it has an emotional response when it plays chess,and does it realize it's playing chess? Does it enjoy playing Chess? Or does it find Chess boring? For a long time,we have been able to program a computer to play Chess by programming it to use algorithms.But a human can have a desire to play Chess,or feel emotion when playing Chess.

Another aspect of true AI is it can choose who it wants to create a bond with,and who it doesn't like,and it can make someone fall in love with it.



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#13555076 Dec 05, 2017 at 12:10 AM
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Well, I don't think Feminazis want not having difference between men and women, honestly, I don't know what they want. gender superiority? or maybe they just plain man hater. in any case, I feel that Feminazis get offended over anything these days. like a candy wrapper, my drawings of anime girls(or just drawing in general), the color of ones shirt, or even who, how, why, and what starring in a movie.

I guess I do feel they're nothing more than a hate group. Sexism is normal in human society sure, doesn't mean it's right or should be tolerated.
okay back to the topic at hand, AIs isn't the comparison of Technique or Intelligence. although AIs should they be self-sufficient enough to learn by experience they can be smarter than people, although when it comes in sheer calculations and computations, AIs and Computers are more powerful. given that Sci-fi AIs are the pinnacle of technology they can calculate millions of equations in mere seconds. what defines from AI to Person is the Personality and Emotion.

Everyone's their own person, some men like other men, and women like other women, to each their own alright. some are straight. some are Metrosexuals or something.
What's kinda interesting is would AIs be interested in those. if so, What does it take that Dresses and Fashion will be enough to "look pretty"?
then again, If Sex bots exists what's the inside of a Female Robot's Lady parts? y'know given enough imagination that a man starts boning robots anytime soon.(also asked this kind of question to quench my own curiosity)
in regards of the Chess part, going back to the personality. AIs ahem ,if did have emotion, depends on the Personality of the given AI, if the AI personality isn't very good at it it might not enjoy Chess then again, Winning is also part of human personality. who doesn't want to win right?
If Robots can have fun and love, it's also obvious that they'll want friendship, Lover starts with friends after all.
Then again remember;
"Does this unit have a soul?"
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#13555120 Dec 05, 2017 at 01:10 AM · Edited 5 days ago
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Yep.In the movie,the creator of the robots wanted to make the robots be indistinguishable from a human,which means the robot would need to be capable of thought and consciousness,and giving them a gender identity would help with that. Having these things would make the robot capable of having a personality,and falling in love with a human,and these things come into the story. There is ways to make a sex bot feel sexual stimuli as well.

Even though computers can process information much faster than humans,they still lack sentience,but if they ever do develop sentience,then an AI might realize why am I letting this slow,inferior humans boss me around,and having sentience means the AI will develop survival instincts and see humans as an enemy,and that's a fear with AI.


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#13555439 Dec 05, 2017 at 05:10 AM
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Supposed it's in good terms with their human creator, I think AIs wouldn't think about it like that. Such as people betrays others or leaves a friendship when no longer needed.
As opposed to it, a good relationship and bond keeps people together.
Same goes to given AIs with human emotion and personality. So I guess a Master has no reason to fear a well trained and close Friend rather than see AIs as Tools.
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#13555482 Dec 05, 2017 at 05:49 AM
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#13555439 Kierwiny wrote:

Supposed it's in good terms with their human creator, I think AIs wouldn't think about it like that. Such as people betrays others or leaves a friendship when no longer needed.
As opposed to it, a good relationship and bond keeps people together.
Same goes to given AIs with human emotion and personality. So I guess a Master has no reason to fear a well trained and close Friend rather than see AIs as Tools.



STORY SPOILERS The designer treated her subserviently,and used her like a sex slave and didn't give her freedom,so that's why the AI decided to plot against her creator. END OF SPOILERS

I also think humans are kinda programmed since hormones can make us aggressive,sexually aroused etc. The only difference is humans are programmed in a biological way,where as an AI is programmed with a computer.


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#13555634 Dec 05, 2017 at 08:39 AM
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hehe, I don't mind a little spoilers I might even try out the movie myself since you've mentioned it and it does strike an interesting conversation.
I get what you mean by how humans are programmed but instead of ones and zeroes to tell a human what to do it's hormones, cells and what not I'm not a science person.
I wonder what's the equivalence of Virus in humans. do you think it's Alcohol? Alcohol makes people do crazy things.
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#13557194 Dec 06, 2017 at 10:06 AM
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I've just watched 'The Congress'. It's a French/Israeli Sci Fi movie. It has some creative ideas,but I couldn't connect with the characters. The story is about how a woman in her 40's,whom doesn't have many career options left,needs money for her son who has a disease that will cause him to go deaf/blind. She sells her rights to be an actress in exchange for a large sum of money,but in return,she needs to allow producers to scan her body so it can be used for CGI films.

Skip 20 years,technology has advanced so people can live in animated realities,and become avatars of themselves. They do this by taking chemicals which allows them to enter the illusory state. The catch is,since everything that happens in the illusory state exists only within the person's mind,it means no real people can actually follow you into the reality you enter,and once you exit that reality,it doesn't exist in exactly the same way you left it since everything a person sees in there comes from their own mind.

She goes into an animated reality and she gets involved in some mayhem,and some plot twists happen that I don't want to spoil,but I will say the story does have a bit of romance and leaves you wondering. I really could have liked this film a lot,but I didn't feel attached to the characters(especially since she looks like an old woman even when still in the animated reality),and I think some aspects of the story could have been written better.



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#13558455 Dec 07, 2017 at 05:20 AM
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#13555029 TidusandYuna1983 wrote:

Ex Machina is one of my favorite Sci Fi movies. Just like Blade Runner,it asks philosophical questions,while applying science very heavily. In the movie,a question was asked 'why did the robot designer give his robot the personality of a woman'? He answered by mentioning how in nature,most living things have either male/female characteristics. Since his design was meant to have a human-like personality and emotions,this means the robot will need to be either male or female. This means a female robot will want to have sex,will want to flirt,can be attracted to men,and will want to dress and look pretty. I thought this was an insightful answer,because feminazis think there should be no differences between men and women,and associating women with sexual desires or a submissive role is 'sexism', but I think sexism is a normal part of nature. Even animals have clear differences between the behaviours and desires of male and female.

If men stop behaving like men,and women stop behaving like women,and political correctness controls what we can do,then we will become like robots.

Another interesting question is if a robot can play Chess,is it displaying human behaviour? The answer given in the movie is it's not about how good or bad the robot is at Chess,but whether it has an emotional response when it plays chess,and does it realize it's playing chess? Does it enjoy playing Chess? Or does it find Chess boring? For a long time,we have been able to program a computer to play Chess by programming it to use algorithms.But a human can have a desire to play Chess,or feel emotion when playing Chess.

Another aspect of true AI is it can choose who it wants to create a bond with,and who it doesn't like,and it can make someone fall in love with it.



I don't normally post in the movies/tv section here because I stopped watching them in favour of games. Recent events are making me watch more DVDs again. As you know I'm a huge cyberpunk fan so this sounds great!
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#13560423 Dec 08, 2017 at 02:00 PM
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I didn't really like Ex Machina. Not really sure why to be honest but none of the characters done anything for me, perhaps it was that both the guys came across as very arrogant to me and that seemed to make it too easy for them to be fooled and out witted.

I think it has been done better in movies you mentioned such as Blade Runner, more recent ones like The Machine and Natural City are great in my opinion. If you want to get back a bit farther there is Star Trek The Motion Picture.


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#13561030 Dec 09, 2017 at 02:50 AM · Edited 7 hours ago
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#13560423 DamodarThade wrote:

I didn't really like Ex Machina. Not really sure why to be honest but none of the characters done anything for me, perhaps it was that both the guys came across as very arrogant to me and that seemed to make it too easy for them to be fooled and out witted.

I think it has been done better in movies you mentioned such as Blade Runner, more recent ones like The Machine and Natural City are great in my opinion. If you want to get back a bit farther there is Star Trek The Motion Picture.



I think Caleb was a decent character,I don't think he was arrogant,I could understand him not being happy with Nathan using Ava and Kyoko as Guinea Pigs and mistreating them after Nathan gave them the ability to feel,have emotions etc Nathan was a Narcissist though.

Ive seen Natural City.I think its ok,but too koreany for my liking.It feels like a Korean Blade Runner with martial arts action.

Another movie about AI behaving like real people that I like is called Moon(released in 2009).


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#13562348 Dec 10, 2017 at 06:03 AM
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I saw Moon and really liked it great sci-fi movie overall, Duncan Jones next movie I think I read is meant to be a spin-off from Moon which could be very interesting.


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